[0.10.27] - Daedra Seducer too easy now?

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Ralzar
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[0.10.27] - Daedra Seducer too easy now?

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I love the fact that the Daedra Seducer transformation is implemented. However, at the moment they can be backstabbed from the front while transforming and get interrupted if they get knocked back. Which pretty much leads to stun-locking and backstabbing them to death.

Maybe make the temporarily immune to knockback? Or damage? Or backstab at least?

Edit: Or stop them from transforming if the player is too close? The problem is really that they try to transform while getting meleed.
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Also on topic of Daedra Seducer.

Do they ever transform back to human form? Because the sprites for transformation are there, but I spawned many of those and none of them ever transformed back.

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Re: Daedra Seducer too easy now?

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Feedback taken on board. I'm pretty sure the backstab issue is a straight bug anyway. I'll move this one to bug reports.

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Re: [0.10.27] - Daedra Seducer too easy now?

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I submitted a PR to prevent backstabbing
They're still a bit weak, because their transformation is interrupted each time you land a hit.
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Ok, my fix is not complete, because daedra seducers are still vulnerable to backstabbing during their "hurt" frame (which is exploitable if you have high attack speed).
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In fact, hurt frame interrupts transformation animation (it changes "EnemyState" value), and in this case DaedraSeducerMobileBehavior make sure transformation restarts. The result is that transforming daedra seducers are easy to stunlock.
I wonder what happens exactly when you attack a transforming deadra seducer in classic...
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Re: [0.10.27] - Daedra Seducer too easy now?

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I would need to take a look myself (I need to confirm Azimuthal Vectors doesn't behave accurately to classic as well, after all), but I vaguely remember stunlocking Daedra Seducers in classic. At least the way I cheesed them in DFU, if silly, didn't seem off compared to my experience in the (distant) past.

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