(NSFW Mod) Prostitution

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Kepling
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(NSFW Mod) Prostitution

Post by Kepling » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:02 am

List of relevant links spoilered out:
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https://tcrf.net/The_Elder_Scrolls_II:_ ... nused_Text

The relevant and rather uninformative UESP page:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Generic_Factions

Guild Act UESP page:

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guild_Act

Legality of prostitution discussion on r/teslore:

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/commen ... _province/

LGBT discussion on r/teslore:

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/commen ... n_tamriel/

Figured I'd start a dedicated thread so we could discuss what we could do with them, and also consider a join-able prostitute guild.


My suggestion for prostitutes is to make them "Grand Theft Auto" style, as in you pay them and they restore your stats. The trade off vs the innkeeper is that they as considerably more expensive (1000 gold?) while they are much faster (either a multiplier or a flat 1 hour rest time for full stat recovery). Could only work for health and/or magicka, fatigue would be lowered after the fact. Price could be lowered by streetwise skill, and also count as a skill use. May lower certain reputations for using this service.

Not sure what to suggest for a prostitute guild, all I can think of would be simple quests to "visit" a house or inn. Good money, but may lower certain reputations considerably. Could also be linked into Etiquette and/or Streetwise skills, giving them more usefulness. Would be separate from the Merchants and Innkeepers quests prostitutes can offer. High rank quest could send you into a dungeon to find a cure for a rare STD temples can't cure plaguing the guild. Another high rank quest could send you to a noble in a castle to do unspeakable things that ultimately lowers your reputation with peasants considerably.

Unsanctioned prostitution could also be a thing, with retaliation from the guild.

Which factions(if any) frown upon prostitution is up for debate.

In either case, buying or selling, there should be the chance to contract a disease. This would of course encourage players to visit the local temple to get cleansed afterwards.

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Igor
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Re: (NSFW Mod) Prostitution

Post by Igor » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:44 am

Maybe Loverslab will be better for these things?

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Re: (NSFW Mod) Prostitution

Post by Hazelnut » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:50 pm

Personally I find the GTA-like concept of 'magical healing whores' to be rather distasteful, but it's a thing because as a consequence of a computer game being unable to reward the player in an appropriate manner given the context.

Having prostitution in for flavour only, with no gameplay impact beyond being a money sink, is more appropriate - to my sensibilities anyway. Unfortunately, makes it much less useful as a game system though.

By all means go ahead with the mod and your plans, this is just my opinion. :)

However, if I could make one polite request I would ask that you make it equal opportunity at least.

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Re: (NSFW Mod) Prostitution

Post by Usernamicus » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:09 pm

This sounds like a great addition, after all the prostitutes are already there, and a Prostitute Guild is lore friendly so by all means go for it.

And I agree with Hazelnut that there should be equal opportunity, though perhaps some differences in quest types for different genders/races (after all, I doubt everyone on Tamriel is bi & into every playable race).

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Re: (NSFW Mod) Prostitution

Post by RH666 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:10 am

I'd love a mod like this. Perhaps even add a couple of custom holy prostitution quests to the House of Dibella too.

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Re: (NSFW Mod) Prostitution

Post by Bender » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:12 pm

Seeing as how their is nudity in Daggerfall, prostitution seems normal. I'm not really big on the idea of healing hookers or std's either. I would prefer quests related to the brothel to be stuff like extorting, bribery, blackmailing various npc's that have visited said brothels. obviously the player might visit the brothel from time to time for recreation, but outside of quest related interaction i don't think brothels should effect gameplay to much. Just my two cents.

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Re: (NSFW Mod) Prostitution

Post by RH666 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:57 am

Maybe not magical healing, but I could see rest healing like a night in the Inn. That plus a message like "She smiles at you and holds out her hand. You go to the courtesan with a smile and spend the rest of the night in her arms. You wake up the next morning feeling refreshed."

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Re: (NSFW Mod) Prostitution

Post by Igor » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:56 am

I do not think such things are bad or unnecessary. Only the places where they are discussed should be appropriately marked. If you discuss them here, then you need to post a warning on the forum and the site 18+.

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Re: (NSFW Mod) Prostitution

Post by RH666 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:34 am

Or perhaps just a 18+ marked sub-forum if necessary.

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Re: (NSFW Mod) Prostitution

Post by Kepling » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:51 am

Hazelnut wrote:Personally I find the GTA-like concept of 'magical healing whores' to be rather distasteful, but it's a thing because as a consequence of a computer game being unable to reward the player in an appropriate manner given the context.

Having prostitution in for flavour only, with no gameplay impact beyond being a money sink, is more appropriate - to my sensibilities anyway. Unfortunately, makes it much less useful as a game system though.
We have magic healing temples, so whats wrong with magic healing whores. An option to have them non-functional in the mod menu would likely be prudent for those who don't like the system, but want the flavor.

After thinking about it, I think the best way to implement this would be for the service to only restore magicka while lowering stamina, while having a high gold cost and requiring a room to be rented at the inn. Sure you can use it to help grind out magic levels, but eventually you need to rest. If you don't have enough stamina then you could be told your too tired and to go get some rest, which would avoid passing out afterwards. This could be balanced since there are only a couple good ways to restore magicka compared to health and stamina. The one problem with this system would be casting restore stamina between sessions.

Stat restoration methods:
Stamina:Spells, potions, resting
Health:Spells, potions, resting, temples(if a member), Regenerate Health advantage/magic item
Magicka:Potions, resting, mages guild(sorcerers only), Spell Absorption advantage/magic item
Bender wrote:I'm not really big on the idea of healing hookers or std's either.
With STDs, the simple solution would be a low chance of contracting a common disease (I got the Swamp Rot) the same way you get it from combat. The low chance would be a combination of the chance of the prostitute having a disease and also the chance of spreading it through contact. If anything it adds another disadvantage for using the service to help balance it out. Vampirism and Lycanthropy could be included, or maybe not. Probably not.
Usernamicus wrote:And I agree with Hazelnut that there should be equal opportunity, though perhaps some differences in quest types for different genders/races (after all, I doubt everyone on Tamriel is bi & into every playable race).
That would likely be built into the quest as the client is going through the guild to find something "special."

"Oh <char>, you would be perfect for <npc>, they're totally into <char sex><char race>."
RH666 wrote:I'd love a mod like this. Perhaps even add a couple of custom holy prostitution quests to the House of Dibella too.
I thought about that too, but I couldn't find anything lore-friendly outside of that one DiBella priestess in Skyrim. Though there is some crossover between the two, being a DiBella follower doesn't automatically mean your a prostitute and vise versa. How the two factions interact with both quests and reputation could be considered.
Igor wrote:I do not think such things are bad or unnecessary. Only the places where they are discussed should be appropriately marked. If you discuss them here, then you need to post a warning on the forum and the site 18+.
The original game has an esrb rating of M 17+, and this thread was marked NSFW(Not Safe For Work).

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