0.10.14: High Elf is paralyzed

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Re: 0.10.14: High Elf is paralyzed

Post by Ralzar » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:55 am

How is this intended to work in practice?

I was under the impression that racial resistance/weakness was adjusted by class resistance/weakness?
Which is what would make sense? I’m not seeing why races have a seperate flag? Is this specifically so you are still able to apply class flags to the same effect?
Wouldn’t the most intuitive way to do this be simply be to have one resistance number for each effect that started at 0 and racial and class effects just added positive and negative numbers to it?
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Re: 0.10.14: High Elf is paralyzed

Post by JorisVanEijden » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:11 pm

It's because the Spiders and Scorpions cast a spell to cause paralysis, both the Magic and Paralysis modifiers are applied.
So if you're racially immune to paralysis but weak to magic these creatures will still paralyze you.

In the case of the original poster:
The race immunity to Paralysis adds 50 to the saving throw.
The weakness to Magic subtracts 25.

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Re: 0.10.14: High Elf is paralyzed

Post by Ralzar » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:35 pm

I’d say the real problem then, is really that spiders are using spells to simulate something that is obvously intended to be a bite.
But there we hit the usual point of questioning to what degree DFU should copy Daggerfall or the intent of Daggerfall.
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Re: 0.10.14: High Elf is paralyzed

Post by L57 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:14 pm

To me it's pretty clear: all features that fix (almost) obvious oversights should be kept as options in advanced settings. This includes Critical Strike fix (to get it in accordance with Manual), addition the ability to ignore PC invisibility for Ancient Liches (feature that Liches have, but not Ancient ones), aura effects for Atronachs, restoration for Spriggans and so on.

And if you unflag all of these options in DFU setting, you should be able to get the pure classic Daggerfall experience as closely as possible gameplay-wise.

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Re: 0.10.14: High Elf is paralyzed

Post by mikeprichard » Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:29 am

Has DFU now made a change to classic behavior such that spiders and scorpions no longer transmit their Paralyze effects via a Magicka-based spell, allowing standard High Elves to be immune to these critters' paralysis? If so, the "bug" report has been fixed, but the DFU wiki will need to be updated (calling Jay_H - https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Tes2Mod:Dagger ... ifferences). If not, the "bug" report will still need to be addressed in some way. (I suspect there may have been changes made recently, but am not sure from reading e.g. viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3590).

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Re: 0.10.14: High Elf is paralyzed

Post by Interkarma » Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:53 am

The bug here was that a critical weakness to Magic was compromising immunity to paralysis. This was resolved a lite while ago.

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