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[King of Worms]

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Failed to load asset: 302_2-0

This is not a normal map, but you should check what's wrong with it.

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Also check these statues.

There's nothing about normal maps or weapons. Feel free to send me the files

Strange reports
302_2-0 is a part of terrain set and is exactly the same as other parts from that set, I was not able to spot any difference same as with
097 - statues, I checked and those reported here are the same as the rest of em in the archive, meaning the Unity inspector settings plus the texture Bit Depth etc

So no idea :X
Heres a link for the terrain. Its in unity export package - 1st is textures 2nd is normals. So u can see my Unity inspector settings for them as well..
But honestly, having the terrain material properties fully modable same as the rest of the other textures would be maybe the best... Having the specular on the snow etc .)

https://mega.nz/#!irQGAQ5S!QwuqwLAq84NX ... ou42WESkhk

And here is the new Silve bow set as a loose file. Place em in CifRci and in the game u will see that only the 1st sprite from the set it highres, rest are vanilla sprites.
https://mega.nz/#!ivICQSLb!CO-sq1443tEl ... Tw03TQkfUI

[TheLacus]

Heres a link for the terrain. Its in unity export package - 1st is textures 2nd is normals. So u can see my Unity inspector settings for them as well..
But honestly, having the terrain material properties fully modable same as the rest of the other textures would be maybe the best... Having the specular on the snow etc .)

https://mega.nz/#!irQGAQ5S!QwuqwLAq84NX ... ou42WESkhk

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302_0-0

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302_0_0_Normal

[TheLacus]

And here is the new Silve bow set as a loose file. Place em in CifRci and in the game u will see that only the 1st sprite from the set it highres, rest are vanilla sprites.
https://mega.nz/#!ivICQSLb!CO-sq1443tEl ... Tw03TQkfUI

Fixed by #1353.

[King of Worms]

Oops, thanks for finding out That "might" be the case..


Unrelated.
Today I found out this screen is actually used ingame. It appears after the dead animation is played.
So I remade it as well:

I think this screen might have a music as well? Plus a button, click to continue maybe?

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[King of Worms]

Hi Lacus, I corrected the names of normals and it works.

Problem is, they are too strong and I think mip mapping does not work on them.
Also the strength of the effect varies based on the texture, as u can see, the texture with stones has very slight normal on the brown soil. So Id need a option to regulate the strength of normals...

I think the way it is now, it will hadly work and it would be needed for a terrain shader to be remade (to be in a way rest of the textures are - so I can create a materials from them and set them up)

I guess you wrote me back than, that this might be possible to do. Is it?

Thank you!

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[TheLacus]

Problem is, they are too strong and I think mip mapping does not work on them.

There have been some chnages to the shader recently. I think mipmaps level is applied correctly from a quick look, but maybe pango want to check again.

Also the strength of the effect varies based on the texture, as u can see, the texture with stones has very slight normal on the brown soil. So Id need a option to regulate the strength of normals...

How did you make these normal maps? If you used an automatic tool you might need to manually soften/harden them as needed. Given the nature of Daggerfall terrain, tiling with different textures will also become more accentuated, maybe you can hide this a bit with some editing of the border patterns.

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I think the way it is now, it will hadly work and it would be needed for a terrain shader to be remade (to be in a way rest of the textures are - so I can create a materials from them and set them up)

I guess you wrote me back than, that this might be possible to do. Is it?

Not really. What i can do is allow import of textures merged in a texture array, instead of importing individual textures and merge them at runtime. I consider this an optimization that makes things slightly more onerous for modders, so i still don't have a final decision on it.

[King of Worms]

Thanks for a reply

There are no mip-maps on the normal maps for sure, they are same level from close to up far. So the mip mapping does not apply to normals but only the base textures.

Im generating each normal map manualy but they all have same settings. Its not possible for me to generate each normal with different strength and try to normalize this. That would be crazy task to do so this way. If I cant set the normal map strenght in the unity editor (and thus see the results immediately) same as with the other textures, this part of modding is on hold...

I think the problem with tiling will be mostly eliminated if the normals are not super strong as they are now..

[TheLacus]

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Albedo settings:
- Texture type: default
- sRGB: true
- Alpha source: none
- read/write enabled: false*
- Generate mipmaps: true

Normal map settings:
- Texture type: normal map
- read/write enabled: false*
- Generate mipmaps: true

* you can enable it for old platforms that support SystemInfo.supports2DArrayTextures but not SystemInfo.copyTextureSupport. I don't know if there is any, i believe is not worth the increase in memory.

There are two issues:
- You need to flatten texture extremities or tile borders are more visible. Not sure how much better it could get.
- You need to do some minor manual adjustment because a few normal maps are softer than others.

If you prefer not to use normal maps is fine, but you shouldn't expect to be able to adjust normal maps intensity on the shader for individual textures; you should work on the texture itself instead.

[pango]

I didn't change anything related to normal maps handling, as far as I can see I didn't break it either, but this is still all new to me...

Are we just applying mipmapping to normal maps? From a quick search it seems it's not that simple, generated normal maps are not normalized, and need to be tweaked (among other solutions):
https://www.gamedev.net/forums/topic/54 ... -benefits/
http://developer.download.nvidia.com/wh ... l_Maps.pdf
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[TheLacus]

I didn't change anything related to normal maps handling, as far as I can see I didn't break it either, but this is still all new to me...

Are we just applying mipmapping to normal maps? From a quick search it seems it's not that simple, generated normal maps are not normalized, and need to be tweaked

Thank you for your answer. I'll do some tests and check if i can see any difference between mip maps enabled and disabled.

The screenshots i posted in my comment above don't look too bad in my opinion, there is only an issue of homogeneity and visible tile borders which i already addressed. I don't think there is some specific issue with current implementation of normal maps, or at least i'm not aware of any at the moment. Maybe KoW can try again with the settings i suggested.