[MOD] Vanilla MIDI OST - Music on a Roland Sound Canvas 55 V1.01

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Re: [MOD] Vanilla MIDI OST - Music on a Roland Sound Canvas 55 V1.0

Post by pango » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:54 pm

The quality is superb. I listened the some SC rendering on YouTube before, but it is no match.
Also, hearing the music in context while playing is a different experience. I like it!
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Re: [MOD] Vanilla MIDI OST - Music on a Roland Sound Canvas 55 V1.0

Post by ByteMixer » Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:18 am

I'm glad the info in my project helped point you in the right direction on getting you project started!

And, sorry for not responding sooner. We just closed on our house on the 26th, so as you can imagine, it's been a pretty busy past couple of weeks!
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Re: [MOD] Vanilla MIDI OST - Music on a Roland Sound Canvas 55 V1.0

Post by JohnBeavers » Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:26 pm

pango wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:54 pm
The quality is superb. I listened the some SC rendering on YouTube before, but it is no match.
Also, hearing the music in context while playing is a different experience. I like it!
Thank you very much :)
If you want, I can upload a version on Youtube too.
ByteMixer wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:18 am
I'm glad the info in my project helped point you in the right direction on getting you project started!
Your project showed me how it is possible to add anytrack you like in a Sound folder with the right naming convention.
Seeing that, gave me the idea to create this rendering.
Here is my Youtube channel if you are ever interested (FR): https://www.youtube.com/user/JohnBeaversYT/

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Re: [MOD] Vanilla MIDI OST - Music on a Roland Sound Canvas 55 V1.0

Post by Braggi » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:48 pm

You just warmed the heart of a retired sound man.

Thank you JB.

:)

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Re: [MOD] Vanilla MIDI OST - Music on a Roland Sound Canvas 55 V1.0

Post by Azteca » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:48 pm

I am listening to this on some very nice Focal monitors and sub in my partially treated room at work. It sounds awesome.
04 has some heft to the drums! Really cool to hear it as the composer did.

05 has horse and cricket sounds at 3:24-3:34 - I assume this is a mistake?

Also, what's up with the __FM files (e.g. 02, 02FM)? They seem indistinguishable. Does the game require these?

Thanks again for the great work. Between this and ByteMixer, we have truly great classic and modern versions.

Mods, can we get this into the Released Mods subform?

EDIT: 5Strong is glorious cranked! :o

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Re: [MOD] Vanilla MIDI OST - Music on a Roland Sound Canvas 55 V1.0

Post by JohnBeavers » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:02 pm

Azteca wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:48 pm
05 has horse and cricket sounds at 3:24-3:34 - I assume this is a mistake?
Oh ! Thank you very much for pointing that out ! I published a corrected version (V 1.01).
Azteca wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:48 pm
Also, what's up with the __FM files (e.g. 02, 02FM)? They seem indistinguishable. Does the game require these?
I don't know how the game worked woth thoose tracks. Sometimes I can swear that FM versions are better but it just be a bias because there is FM in the title XD
I prefered to leave it as is.
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Mods, can we get this into the Released Mods subform?
I don't know how you do that. I though that sometimes the forum admins move a selection of threads to Released Mods section. It is both full and released so yes, that would be nice.

Thank you !
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You just warmed the heart of a retired sound man.
My pleasure :)
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Re: [MOD] Vanilla MIDI OST - Music on a Roland Sound Canvas 55 V1.0

Post by ShortBeard » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:51 pm

This is fantastic! Well done!

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Re: [MOD] Vanilla MIDI OST - Music on a Roland Sound Canvas 55 V1.01

Post by GreatSphynx » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:04 am

Sounds great so far! I have an SC-88 that I use for a lot of things in DOSbox when I can. I also use it for composition. I love the sound canvases

I'm not sure if it's like this in the original or just a small error but song_folk2 doesn't loop properly. It starts with the first note of the song again, then pauses and starts again.

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Re: [MOD] Vanilla MIDI OST - Music on a Roland Sound Canvas 55 V1.0

Post by pango » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:28 am

JohnBeavers wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:02 pm
Azteca wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:48 pm
Also, what's up with the __FM files (e.g. 02, 02FM)? They seem indistinguishable. Does the game require these?
I don't know how the game worked woth thoose tracks. Sometimes I can swear that FM versions are better but it just be a bias because there is FM in the title XD
I prefered to leave it as is.
What I believe is that those are variants tweaked to sound better (or less worse) on soundcards using FM synthesis; Most likely, using OPL3 specifically.
Compare the MIDI list for OPL3 and SC-55 as curated by Syllogism...

But I couldn't tell the difference for the ones I checked... So maybe they fix only very specific issues with OPL3 rendering

More on topic, it seems Daggerfall Unity does not currently use the "FM" versions of MIDI files:
https://github.com/Interkarma/daggerfal ... Manager.cs
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Re: [MOD] Vanilla MIDI OST - Music on a Roland Sound Canvas 55 V1.01

Post by JohnBeavers » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:04 pm

GreatSphynx wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:04 am
Sounds great so far! I have an SC-88 that I use for a lot of things in DOSbox when I can. I also use it for composition. I love the sound canvases

I'm not sure if it's like this in the original or just a small error but song_folk2 doesn't loop properly. It starts with the first note of the song again, then pauses and starts again.
The SC88 is a great piece of technology :)
Allow me to share this midi file with you. It is the opening to the game called Ys.
It really is a mater piece.

Here is a BIG pack of japanese games midi files made for the sound canvas if you happen to be interested.

About the loopin folk_2, in fact, no midi file quite loops well. At the end of each there is like 5 to 10 seconds of silence with a very last note, that must be where it should loop but it is not really good. What I did is that I cut these last seconds eveytime.
I may work on every loop in a later iteration.
pango wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:28 am
What I believe is that those are variants tweaked to sound better (or less worse) on soundcards using FM synthesis; Most likely, using OPL3 specifically.
Compare the MIDI list for OPL3 and SC-55 as curated by Syllogism...

But I couldn't tell the difference for the ones I checked... So maybe they fix only very specific issues with OPL3 rendering

More on topic, it seems Daggerfall Unity does not currently use the "FM" versions of MIDI files:
https://github.com/Interkarma/daggerfal ... Manager.cs
Thank you for the links. It indeed seems to be linked to the type of rendering device you used back in the day.
On line 670 of the Github file you sent, there is mention of FM version.
I not good at coding enough to understand if it is only mentionned or if it is used.

Can you explain it to me, please ?
Here is my Youtube channel if you are ever interested (FR): https://www.youtube.com/user/JohnBeaversYT/

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