Glossy Khajiit Suit in Vanilla Daggerfall?

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Glossy Khajiit Suit in Vanilla Daggerfall?

Post by Aleryn » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:25 am

I recently confirmed there was an alternate Khajiit Suit in Vanilla Daggerfall. Its the same outline as the original one we now use in DFUnity, but it was glossy in texture. For reference sake, the image was taken in the GoG provided version of Daggerfall version 1.07.213. Leftmost is the classic suit, middle is the odd glossy one, and the right is just there to illustrate how they look beside one-another in the inventory.

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I was curious why the second glossy suit doesn't seem to be in Daggerfall Unity?

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Re: Glossy Khajiit Suit in Vanilla Daggerfall?

Post by Interkarma » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:55 am

That is a palette glitch, I'm afraid. There's no actual variant like this in the game data. :)

Looks like it's applying a palette rotation to the second item for some reason. Possibly a corrupted material value. Could probably force the same thing to happen in DFU by manually setting silver or elven material for a Khajiit suit in save data.

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Re: Glossy Khajiit Suit in Vanilla Daggerfall?

Post by Aleryn » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:05 am

So that is why I could never find this oddball suit in the datafiles via your Daggerfall Imaging 2 program! Maybe this alternate suit was intentional as a quick way to add variety, or just a weird bug.

Thank you for the explanation, Interkarma. I think I may go manually add the 'suit' to a save file via your suggestion when I have the time.

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Re: Glossy Khajiit Suit in Vanilla Daggerfall?

Post by Interkarma » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:15 am

I just gave it a shot in DFU and materials/dye have no effect on the Khajiit suit. It doesn't use any of the dye indices that would normally be affected by this. Seems to be another kind of palette change.

Hard to say then why classic manages to do this and why it effects one item and not the other. I'm always interested in this kind of thing. Are you able to post the classic save so we can tinker with it? I'd be interested in the material properties of that glossy suit to see if it's reproducible at all. :)

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Re: Glossy Khajiit Suit in Vanilla Daggerfall?

Post by Ralzar » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:31 am

The obvious answer (that appearently isn't the answer?) is that the idea was to use dyes on it to have khajiit suits appear to be dark versions of different colors (you only see the color in the shining bits)
Maybe they never got it to look ok, so dropped developing it further.
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Re: Glossy Khajiit Suit in Vanilla Daggerfall?

Post by Aleryn » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:32 am

Happy to help when I can, here is the save file in .zip form.

SAVE3.zip
Vanilla Daggerfall save with both khajiit suits
(305.13 KiB) Downloaded 14 times

Back in the day I had the 'headcanon' that this was the suit variant for non-khajiit. Odd conclusions in a bubble I guess.

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Re: Glossy Khajiit Suit in Vanilla Daggerfall?

Post by Jeoshua » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:52 am

I just wanted to ask: Isn't anyone else mildly annoyed that the Khajiit suit doesn't fit Khajiit properly? Can that be considered a bug?

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Re: Glossy Khajiit Suit in Vanilla Daggerfall?

Post by Ralzar » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:17 am

Jeoshua wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:52 am
I just wanted to ask: Isn't anyone else mildly annoyed that the Khajiit suit doesn't fit Khajiit properly? Can that be considered a bug?
You've made common mistake.

It's not a suit made FOR Khajiits.

It's a suit made OF Khajits.

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Re: Glossy Khajiit Suit in Vanilla Daggerfall?

Post by Aleryn » Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:10 pm

Bahahaha, oh its an old joke but still works.

Also, clothing misalignment was fixed years ago by an awesome member of the classic community. Just goto https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Files and scroll down to Clothes and Armour Fix. Its a modification to files in the Arena2 directory.

I didn't have it or any mods installed to my fast screenshot build used above. Poor Classic was replaced by DFUnity even by this grognard.

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