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Re: Can I switch temples?

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:07 am
by BansheeXYZ
Yeah, it would appear that expulsion is kind of broken right now.

-In classic, when you get kicked out, the guild disappears from your "Affiliations" window. But in DFU it stays there. I got myself expelled from the Mage's Guild, rank becomes "Expelled". I got booted from Kynareth and got a rank of "non-member".
-After being expelled from Kynareth, I traveled to a neighboring province with a different god/temple (Arkay). In classic, they accept me. In DFU, they reject me. I did 4 quests in a row to raise my rep with Arkay. Still rejected. Then I went back to Kynareth and did 4 quests with them. Then I went back to Arkay and they accepted me, but instead of saying "you are worthy to join Arkay" they said "you are worth to join Kynareth." So Arkay's guildmaster is acting like the one that just expelled me and thinks he's Kynareth.

Re: Can I switch temples?

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:18 am
by LypyL
Interesting. This makes me wonder what happens if the player ignores the Thieves guild & Dark Brotherhood invitation letters in classic vs. DFU as just like trying to get kicked out of a guild, I've never tried that :?:

Re: Can I switch temples?

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:21 pm
by Hazelnut
BansheeXYZ wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:07 am
Yeah, it would appear that expulsion is kind of broken right now.

-In classic, when you get kicked out, the guild disappears from your "Affiliations" window. But in DFU it stays there. I got myself expelled from the Mage's Guild, rank becomes "Expelled". I got booted from Kynareth and got a rank of "non-member".
-After being expelled from Kynareth, I traveled to a neighboring province with a different god/temple (Arkay). In classic, they accept me. In DFU, they reject me. I did 4 quests in a row to raise my rep with Arkay. Still rejected. Then I went back to Kynareth and did 4 quests with them. Then I went back to Arkay and they accepted me, but instead of saying "you are worthy to join Arkay" they said "you are worth to join Kynareth." So Arkay's guildmaster is acting like the one that just expelled me and thinks he's Kynareth.
Could you please post some saves so I can test classic myself and get DFU to match? I'm pretty sure when I tried I couldn't get myself kicked out. Maybe I forgot to wait the 28 days? (so painful at 99 slooow hours at a time)

Re: Can I switch temples?

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:22 pm
by Jay_H
You can fast travel instead from one end of the world to another to kill time ;)

Re: Can I switch temples?

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:33 am
by Hazelnut
Yeah I know, but that gets old fast too. I focus on other stuff while it counts, or just take a mental break. :)

Re: Can I switch temples?

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:30 am
by BansheeXYZ
Hazelnut wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:21 pm
Could you please post some saves so I can test classic myself and get DFU to match? I'm pretty sure when I tried I couldn't get myself kicked out. Maybe I forgot to wait the 28 days? (so painful at 99 slooow hours at a time)
I'm pretty sure demotion is immediate and has no time passage check. You don't have to wait 28 days between demotions the way you do promotions.

Anyway, saves before expulsion in classic and DFU:
bothexp.zip
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Re: Can I switch temples?

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:35 pm
by Hazelnut
This is now fixed, PR submitted. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, and thanks for providing the saves. Really allowed me to get to the code really quickly.

Re: Can I switch temples?

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:21 am
by BansheeXYZ
Thanks. Out of curiosity, did you unify the internal terminology to non-member? I still don't understand the whole expelled vs non-member thing. As far as I know, you aren't treated differently or given custom responses for having been a prior member vs having never joined.

Re: Can I switch temples?

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:31 am
by Hazelnut
Yes, that was the fix - to remove the membership record entirely.

Re: Can I switch temples?

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:41 pm
by Narf the Mouse
BansheeXYZ wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:21 am
Thanks. Out of curiosity, did you unify the internal terminology to non-member? I still don't understand the whole expelled vs non-member thing. As far as I know, you aren't treated differently or given custom responses for having been a prior member vs having never joined.
A mod could take advantage of those two different tags.