Etiquette and Plain Robes

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Ommamar
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Etiquette and Plain Robes

Post by Ommamar » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:07 pm

What is the radius on Etiquette? I was in a dungeon fighting a sorcerer when I got the sorcerer is pacified with etiquette message but the one in front of me kept trying to bash me in my head. Further on I found one that was pacified but it was 4 turns and a couple floors away.

In classic weren't you able to wear plain robes over your armor? I just got a magic one so I tried it on but it took up the chest slot. Is it only cloaks you can wear over armor? Also it cast Jack of Trades but my luck is already at a 100 so didn't seem to have an effect, that is another thing I remember from classic was getting my attributes higher then 100 with items and spells.

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Re: Etiquette and Plain Robes

Post by Interkarma » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:39 pm

The language-based pacification check is simply happening when player is close enough for their AI to engage. This is likely too high and will pacify enemies quite far away.

All of the equipment slots and layering work exactly like classic, and you can wear plain robes over armour. If you are experiencing otherwise, a save game would be useful to reproduce.

You cannot raise attributes over 100 without using a mod, this matches classic. You were likely using the DagSkills mod in classic that allowed attributes up to 200.

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Re: Etiquette and Plain Robes

Post by pango » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:42 pm

(ninja'ed :D )
Ommamar wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:07 pm
What is the radius on Etiquette? I was in a dungeon fighting a sorcerer when I got the sorcerer is pacified with etiquette message but the one in front of me kept trying to bash me in my head. Further on I found one that was pacified but it was 4 turns and a couple floors away.
768 distance units
If that's the unit that's about one inch, it gives ~ 19.5m
Ommamar wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:07 pm
In classic weren't you able to wear plain robes over your armor?
That should work. A screenshot would help diagnose the issue, if any.
Ommamar wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:07 pm
Also it cast Jack of Trades but my luck is already at a 100 so didn't seem to have an effect, that is another thing I remember from classic was getting my attributes higher then 100 with items and spells.
Maybe you played with DagSkill patch?
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Re: Etiquette and Plain Robes

Post by Ommamar » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:39 pm

pango wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:42 pm
(ninja'ed :D )
Ommamar wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:07 pm
What is the radius on Etiquette? I was in a dungeon fighting a sorcerer when I got the sorcerer is pacified with etiquette message but the one in front of me kept trying to bash me in my head. Further on I found one that was pacified but it was 4 turns and a couple floors away.
768 distance units
If that's the unit that's about one inch, it gives ~ 19.5m
Ommamar wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:07 pm
In classic weren't you able to wear plain robes over your armor?
That should work. A screenshot would help diagnose the issue, if any.
Ommamar wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:07 pm
Also it cast Jack of Trades but my luck is already at a 100 so didn't seem to have an effect, that is another thing I remember from classic was getting my attributes higher then 100 with items and spells.
Maybe you played with DagSkill patch?
No I never patched the classic game figured it was unstable enough without adding more unknowns to the pile. I do distinctly recall one of my attributes being 130 and the text was blue not white.

I was going to put up the save game but of course now it is working fine although it unequipped my shirt which is confusing as I thought it was an over the armor not under. It did unequip my elven breastplate earlier which I promptly sold assuming I must of picked it up because of course a robe would just go over the armor.

Good information on etiquette distance but that seems like a pretty far distance to be able to pacify something I would think you would at least be able to see it to make an attempt.

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Re: Etiquette and Plain Robes

Post by biz633 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:41 am

I can get my topped out character to 130 with magical items, I have never used any cheats. Do you have skill enhancement magical items equipped?

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Re: Etiquette and Plain Robes

Post by Yagiza » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:38 am

I think making Etiquette, Streetwise and language skills passively used a really bad idea.
I understand that in 1996 Bethesda Softworks was not such a big company like it is now and they were in rush releasing Daggerfall. That's why a lot of things was unfinished or even not implemented. And Many of them left unfinished and unimplemented in later patches.
I hope, DFU will fix and implement them sooner or later.
One of such things is passive usinf of comminication skills and thiefs skils (like Stealth and Critical Strike).
I'm sure player should be able to try pacifying evemies himself by clicking them in Dialogue mode.
Also, intelligent enemies (humanoids and enemies, which have languages) should give player a chance to pacify them (do not attack player once they saw him) and even when they attacked the player, he should still have a chance (but lower) to do it.

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Re: Etiquette and Plain Robes

Post by jayhova » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:32 pm

I would suggest that pacification be line of sight only. If this is one of those things that is the way it is because of an attempt to match the behavior of classic, I would then suggest that the notification of pacification be made line of sight. Of course line of sight pacification would be more realistic.
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