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I am curious. One of the things that has always slightly annoyed me about Daggerfall is that certain items require cut outs in order to work. This makes those items less attractive when displayed in the shop dialog. Is it possible to have a second "Display" version of an item that is complete along with the functional one used on the paper doll? It occurs to me that you could then do things like slightly change things like the hand to look less one size fits all.

I was just noticing that, after weeks playing: why my katana hasn't got an hilt, while in the inventory?

Having an "uncut" display version of the item would indeed be

I assume it would require paper-doll to be displayed using more layers (display hands on a new layer on top of weapons,...); Once this is done the items could be drawn in full without the cut off hacks, in both inventory and paper-doll.

pango wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:29 pm I assume it would require paper-doll to be displayed using more layers (display hands on a new layer on top of weapons,...); Once this is done the items could be drawn in full without the cut off hacks, in both inventory and paper-doll.

Nope. You just use the existing version of the paper doll item and then make a separate one that is just for display. Since the paper doll item never is seen independent of the paper doll you can do tricks to make the paper doll version better. The only change necessary is to have a display version that eliminates the cutout. There are already items that don't get displayed on the paper doll so aren't changed to make them look right. You could make paper doll versions of these items: Rings, torcs, bracers, etc.

jayhova wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:44 am

pango wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:29 pm I assume it would require paper-doll to be displayed using more layers (display hands on a new layer on top of weapons,...); Once this is done the items could be drawn in full without the cut off hacks, in both inventory and paper-doll.

Nope. You just use the existing version of the paper doll item and then make a separate one that is just for display. Since the paper doll item never is seen independent of the paper doll you can do tricks to make the paper doll version better. The only change necessary is to have a display version that eliminates the cutout. There are already items that don't get displayed on the paper doll so aren't changed to make them look right. You could make paper doll versions of these items: Rings, torcs, bracers, etc.

Have fun creating those 10 000 items

King of Worms wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:53 am Have fun creating those 10 000 items

Well there is no point if there is no way for them to be displayed. I'm not actually asking anyone to do all that work just make the work worth doing. That being said, not all items need to be changed to make a better display version because only some of them include cut outs to make layering work.

I tell you what, If this is made possible I will do 1000 items (if in fact there are that many) starting with the weapons. I'll start with the weapons right now if we can make this happen in the future.

I'm unsure if this would be affected by the feature freeze

"..That being said, not all items need to be changed to make a better display version because only some of them include cut outs to make layering work."

Right, agreed. I think total is 12k items, so I said 10k but it will be less, true.
Yes, this might be affected with recent freeze..

Its not so impossible amount of work, can be done, its just slight touch ups in most cases.

For the weapons the problem is only in the handle and all the handles for like items are the same. Maybe this can be handled in a mod. But I'm serious. send me 100 items and I will see how long it takes me to knock them out.

jayhova wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:19 pm I tell you what, If this is made possible I will do 1000 items (if in fact there are that many) starting with the weapons. I'll start with the weapons right now if we can make this happen in the future.

What other items have cutout apart from weapons?

Clothes and armor