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"Pure Mage" stream

Post by pango » Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:00 pm

TalonHatesNames doing a "Pure Mage" character class stream... No use of weapons, skills are schools of magicka and languages.
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Conduct:
Current Daggerfall Character Conduct: May not use any weapons or hand-to-hand in combat.(May use hand-to-hand to break down doors). Must join and reach max rank in the mages guild. May not join any other faction except the Temple of Julianos.(Need not reach max rank in the Temple). Must complete the Hermaeus Mora daedric quest.
Sounds like a fun challenge run ahead!

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Re: "Pure Mage" stream

Post by pango » Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:15 pm

Interestingly, after running out of Privateer's Hold to Gophway Garden, he couldn't join the Mages Guild (!?)
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Re: "Pure Mage" stream

Post by pango » Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:51 pm

Quickly created an approximation of his character:
Female Redguard

STR 40
INT 75
WIL 75
AGI 10
END 75
PER 30
SPD 75
LUC 20

Major: Destruction - Mysticism - Restoration
Primary: Alteration - Illusion - Thaumaturgy
Minor: Daedric - Dragonish - Etiquette - Impish - Nymph - Orcish

Increased Magery 3x
Spell absorption in darkness
Forbidden weaponry: everything but Hand-to-Hand
Forbidden materials: elven, orcish

Reputations:
Commoners -10
Scholars +5
Nobility +5

School of magic: Destruction
Motivation: Knowledge
Spent time; socializing with aristocrats
You saved: a favorite book
The emperor gave you: A book
Additional training: Restoration
nickname: Quicksilver
Friendlier with: Daedra
Personal hatred: Stupid peasants
Intimate friend: a Mage
Worship: Julianos
Trouble: Getting along with others

Good roll, bonuses balanced between INT and WIL

Bonus skill points balanced between majors, all on thaumaturgy, balanced between Daedric, Dragonish and Orcish

Very high reflexes
I could reproduce the issue. He used 0.10.15, I used 0.10.17.
My reputations are all over the place. My reputation with the Mages Guild is at 100, and I can't join them.

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ᐅ jq -r '.factionDict[].Value|select(.rep != 0)|[.name,.rep]|@csv' FactionData.txt|sort -rn -k2 -t,
"The Mercenary Mages",100
"The Mages Guild",100
"The Fighters Guild",100
"Fighter Questers",100
"The Archaeologists Guild",88
"The Academics",79
"The Isolationists",77
"The Master of Academia",72
"The Utility Mages",70
"The Travelers League",70
"The Palatinus",70
"The Order of the Lamp",70
"The Odylic Mages",70
"The Master of the Scry",70
"The Master of Initiates",70
"The Master of Incunabula",70
"The Master at Arms",70
"The Guildmagister",70
"The Crafters",70
"The Cabal",70
"The Archmagister",70
"Popudax",70
"Karethys",70
"The Patricians",68
"Medora",47
"Isle of Balfiera",47
"Fighter Trainers",42
"Fighter Equippers",42
"Daggerfall",41
"The Underking",35
"The Archaeologist Locators",35
"Mynisera",35
"Agents of The Underking",35
"Lord Bridwell",34
"Sentinel",25
"Cyndassa",25
"Temple Treasurers",24
"Nulfaga",23
"Court of Daggerfall",22
"People of Balfiera",21
"Court of Balfiera",21
"The Necromancers",20
"King of Worms",20
"The Royal Guard",17
"The Knights of the Dragon",17
"Queen Akorithi",17
"Prince Lhotun",17
"People of Betony",17
"Mobar",17
"Lady Northbridge",17
"King Gothryd",17
"Court of Betony",17
"Betony",17
"People of Daggerfall",15
"Kairou",14
"Queen Aubk-i",12
"Skakmat",10
"The Royal Guards",9
"The Order of the Candle",9
"Prince Greklith",9
"People of Sentinel",9
"Lord Vhosek",9
"Lord Provlith",9
"Lord K'avar",9
"Court of Sentinel",9
"Questers",7
"Generic Knightly Order",7
"Antiphyllos",6
"Wrothgaria",5
"Wayrest",5
"Princess Morgiah",5
"Prince Helseth",5
"People of Wrothgaria",5
"Sheogorath",4
"Santaki",4
"Apothecaries of Mara",4
"Anticlere",3
"Ykalon",2
"The Maran Knights",2
"The Battlelords",2
"Smiths",2
"Healers",2
"Glenumbra Moors",2
"Court of Wrothgaria",2
"Summoners of Julianos",1
"Seneschal",1
"People of Santaki",-1
"People of Dragontail",-1
"Dragontail",-1
"The Knights of the Hawk",-3
"Bergama",-4
"Whitka",-6
"Thyr Topfield",-6
"The Squid",-6
"The Shadow Trainers",-6
"The Shadow Spies",-6
"The Master of Initiates",-6
"The Guildmaster",-6
"The Crow",-6
"Thaik",-6
"Menevia",-6
"Lord Bertram Spode",-6
"The Order of the Scarab",-7
"Phrygias",-7
"The Shadow Appraisers",-8
"The Thieves Guild",-11
"Dark Binders",-17
"The Shadow Schemers",-18
"Venom Masters",-20
"Dark Trainers",-20
"Dark Plotters",-20
"Dark Mixers",-20
"Alcaire",-22
"Enchanters of Kynareth",-27
"The Dark Brotherhood",-46
"Dark Slayers",-46
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Re: "Pure Mage" stream

Post by pango » Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:16 pm

Same with 0.10.14 (and 0.8.6), so it doesn't seem to be a regression of "rep -100 fix"... Maybe not a regression at all

However the starting reputations are more sane?

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ᐅ jq -r '.factionDict[].Value|select(.rep != 0)|[.name,.rep]|@csv' FactionData.txt|sort -rn -k2 -t,
"Sheogorath",10
"The School of Julianos",5
"Temple Missionaries",5
"Julianos",5
"Generic Temple",5
"The Knights Mentor",2
"Temple Treasurers",2
"Temple Healers",2
"Temple Blessers",2
"Teachers of Julianos",2
"Summoners of Julianos",2
"Smiths of Julianos",2
"Crafters of Julianos",2
"Clavicus Vile",2
"Br'itsa",2
"The Mages Guild",-2
"Orsinium",-5
"Gortwog",-10
Why the -2 with Mages Guild though, but at least it explains why I can't immediately join them
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Re: "Pure Mage" stream

Post by pango » Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:52 pm

(0.8.6) I negated all my starting reputations with factions:
Commoners +10
Scholars -5
Nobility -5

And... no change

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"Sheogorath",10
"The School of Julianos",5
"Temple Missionaries",5
"Julianos",5
"Generic Temple",5
"The Knights Mentor",2
"Temple Treasurers",2
"Temple Healers",2
"Temple Blessers",2
"Teachers of Julianos",2
"Summoners of Julianos",2
"Smiths of Julianos",2
"Crafters of Julianos",2
"Clavicus Vile",2
"Br'itsa",2
"The Mages Guild",-2
"Orsinium",-5
"Gortwog",-10
So there may be a 3rd issue, unless I misunderstood what editing reputations does
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Re: "Pure Mage" stream

Post by pango » Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:42 pm

Okay, the -2 with the Mages Guild comes from worshiping Julianos. The two can't stand each other, makes sense.

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ᐅ jq -r '.factionDict[].Value|select(.rep != 0)|[.name,.rep]|@csv' FactionData.txt|sort -rn -k2 -t,
"Sheogorath",10
"Orsinium",-5
"Gortwog",-10
So now I still don't understand what editing reputation does, and I don't understand how I got those crazy reputations at some point...
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Re: "Pure Mage" stream

Post by Interkarma » Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:09 pm

Wait, did you start the game with all those +100 reps after character creation? That definitely isn't right. The -2 makes sense, it's within a normal range for starting reps based on other affiliations.

Editing rep should work. Would need to step through evaluation for membership code to see why being rejected in this case.

It would be great to have feedback from Numidium (class questions) about the +100 and Hazelnut (guilds) if they have time to take a look.

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Re: "Pure Mage" stream

Post by numidium3rd » Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:28 pm

My biography parser has a command for modifying faction rep so that could be failing. I'll look into it.

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Re: "Pure Mage" stream

Post by numidium3rd » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:27 pm

I debugged my parser with the same biography answers and I didn't find any problems. The save file I created after leaving Privateer's Hold had Mages Guild rep -2 as expected. Not sure how Pango ended up with 100 rep in his save. I manually changed the rep in my save to 100 and was able to join.

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Re: "Pure Mage" stream

Post by pango » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:44 pm

And what about the "Reputation with Commoners, Scholars,... , Underworld", how does it affect the game?
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