Issues seen during IndigoGaming streams

[pango]

This also contains what could be improvements or feature requests, either from Indigo during the stream or from me watching the stream...

Live Stream #1 (0.7.36)
Khajiit Khan the Shadeblade

No music during character creation (feature request)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=133
That's a feature request from me really, character creation can easily last 20 to 30 minutes, it's part of the game, it's important so shouldn't be rushed, so anything that can make it a little bit more entertaining (but not distracting) would be helpful in general, and hopefully for streamers too.

You can miss some (dis)advantages because scrolling is not right (already fixed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=369

If you click "restart" during character creation, previous choices are kept...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=1100
Except changes done to list of skills during 2nd run are not taken into account in "distribute 6 percents among skills" screen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=1249
And in recap screen the skill is correct but the level is bogus (3%?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=1265
Numidium submitted a PR

Stealth penalty for wearing plate? (mod material)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=2248

Don't display icon backgrounds when your spellbook is empty? (feature request) (fixed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=2477
Another feature request from me, I find those black panels in empty spellbooks rather ugly looking
I created a PR for this one

High res skyboxes? (mod material)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=3118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=9479 he says later that he didn't try Enhanced Sky yet
Anyway, that could be an interesting alternative
Uh, not a new idea

Thunder stutters with tedious travel acceleration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=3304
Fix: prevent thunder sound from interrupting another thunder sound; birds from interrupting birds, etc?
Wrote a patch but I'm not satisfied by the result

Trying to steal (a horse) gives out "<TextError-NotFound>"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=3976
I submitted a PR

City Guards still after the player because of theft attempt after reloading the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=4006 reload
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=4015 guards going "Halt!"
Also no "surrender to city guards?" after being hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=4026 fixed by reloading again...
Given lack of surrendering option, it could be an instance of "Reloading after death did not clear nearby enemies" see below

Popup texts are delayed during Tedious Travel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=4320 didn't notice that he crossed a town
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=4348 message when he exits tedious travel

Reloading after death did not clear nearby enemies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=4542 woken up by a bear and a nightblade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=4553 killed by the nightblade
(reloading)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=4562 nightblade killing the bear then the player again
(reloading)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=4578 nightblade still around
I think I've seen that happen to another streamer too

Light sources have no visible effect with "player based light" off, they could enhance default light instead (feature request)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=4620

Random zombie encounter simply vanishes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=4717 (he did not notice as he didn't intend to fight him, but it clearly disappears)
Some zone border issue?

Indigo mentions the different room qualities in Arena (mod material?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=4759

Teleported into a dungeon, you can see where the exit is on the 3d map
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=5757
It obviously helps finding the exit faster, which was not bad gameplay wise, but it's probably a bug

House that looks like an inn [GAME DATA RELATED]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=6956

Much worse tedious travel performance at times (snow?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=7327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=7411 falling off terrain at 50x speed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=7491 again at 40x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=12735 again, while trying to lower speed
Later worked fine with snow at 15x or 20x
But without snow tedious travel works fine at 50x, even at 100x during parts of the stream
I think that by giving higher priority to the computation of the zones you're about to enter, and in the worse case preventing the player from entering a zone that's not computed yet, it should be possible to prevent such falls into the Void
(potential usecase for Visual Effect Graph later?)

Dungeon in orange (shops color) on local map?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=7774
Most likely game data related

Duplicate door
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=7888

Quest A0C01Y01 not spawning thieves between 21:00 and midnight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=8243 accepting quest @17:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=8448 entering residence a bit late (around @21:25?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=8688 waited/loitered inside 'til 00:02, nobody showed up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=8777 questor not responding (quest probably failed)
He later loitered inside for the rest of the night to no avail.

Small glitch on local map (line of green pixels that do not match any real building (GAME DATA RELATED)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=8856

When you open the region map thru notebook fast travel, upper screen lacks region (shows ": Place" instead of "Region : Place")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=9188

Some enemies are much weaker than expected
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=9231
Orcs (except orc shamen), gargoyles... Game may require some balancing pass before 1.0

Taverns are very quiet (feature request?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=9945

Can't put marks on town map (regression compared to classic)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=10262

Pacified the orc shaman that just told "prepare to die" using orcish skill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=10317
Either that skill is magical and anything is possible; Or it's some kind of social skill, and it should be more or less likely to succeed depending on context; And in some situations could never succeed.

Trying to sleep in a random house triggers "You have not rented a room here" message instead of city guards (does not match classic)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=10427
I'm not sure I prefer classic

Sleep in a tavern, wake up in the Void falling below the tavern (fixed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=10459
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=10493 (again)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=10502 watching the tavern above
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=10547 (again)
Happened to me too, in my case I wake up above the tavern, so I would die unless I immediately used levitation. In both cases it was in a tavern I successfully slept in another night before, but it could be just a coincidence

You can't tell your reputation with guilds you haven't joined yet (option or mod material?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=11027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=11094 discussion on hidden variables and mechanics

Random quest book item is always "The First Scroll of Baan Dar"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=12183

A0C00Y17 quest typo "It's less less than =traveltime_ days from here."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=12212
I created a PR

Higher materials chain armors like in Morrowind? (mod material)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=13420

Can't talk to the innkeeper (hence take a room) after he gave you a quest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=13873

[BansheeXYZ]

Don't display icon backgrounds when your spellbook is empty? (feature request)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZKkxBMuhg&t=2477
Another feature request from me, I find those black panels in empty spellbooks rather ugly looking
I created a PR for this one

This is a modded UI that tries to look like a real book. The classic UI frames the icons, so a black fill looks better than transparency there. If it looks bad in the mod, then I think it should be the modder's responsibility to remove them.

Note that classic does not let you open an empty spellbook, which doesn't make a lot of sense and might allow players to think they're silenced or have no spellbook. Anything that reduces clicks or confusion is a good enhancement.

Can't put marks on town map (regression compared to classic)

I see this as an improvement. First off, the guy is not asking townsfolk where Heluus is. He's just walking in buildings one by one and trying to cross them off. He'll figure this out once he gets a quest target in a bigger town. Secondly, the manual marking function had no real value. I can't think of any reason to create a label besides maybe naming your own house. Buildings already have names and get automarked. It's also potentially a problem when the quest system tries to label a building ontop of a label you've already put down. This frees up left-click for the far more useful function of moving the map around.

Also note that the 3d dungeon map in classic let's you blink a segment by clicking on it. This has value in the sense that you can tell yourself where to backtrack when you've bypassed a fork. But you could only set 1 to blink at a time, and it took up left-click as a function, which hurt map manipulation. That's why I suggested blinking these segments automatically with a superior method that uses transparent highlighting that classic couldn't do.

You can't tell your reputation with guilds you haven't joined yet (option or mod material?)

Well, the guildmaster literally told him his reputation wasn't good enough to join, so it's rather obvious that he needs to do some quests for them to boost it. What's less obvious is skill value requisites on promotions that you basically have to consult a strategy guide to understand.

That being said, I don't know why the original devs thought hiding rep numbers was a good idea. It's a game centered around character progression. A lot of times, the way you complete quests dramatically alters your rep with a certain faction, so the player is making choices based on entirely material rewards with no concept of how hard it's going to hurt their rep.

[jayhova]

Secondly, the manual marking function had no real value. I can't think of any reason to create a label besides maybe naming your own house.

I disagree with this. In classic I used this function to mark stores with poor shopkeepers or good items I couldn't afford to buy yet. I could be used to make the inn or shop or house where you got a quest so you don't have to check your notes.

[BansheeXYZ]

I disagree with this. In classic I used this function to mark stores with poor shopkeepers or good items I couldn't afford to buy yet.

I have no problem with a setting that autoappends store labels with a quality tag like (Q4). But shop wares reset on travel I think, so I don't know how you're marking future purchases when the item probably won't be there.

[jayhova]

I have no problem with a setting that autoappends store labels with a quality tag like (Q4). But shop wares reset on travel I think, so I don't know how you're marking future purchases when the item probably won't be there.

I have not checked but I seem to remember Items in stores being persistent. Can someone fact check me on that?

[King of Worms]

Beautiful summary, thanks for the efforts, Im sure it will be helpful.

PS: I cant make the icon backgrounds in spellbook disappear, I just change textures. And I dont consider this worth my time honestly. If your spellbook is empty, than I doubt you will spend much time watching it. With a 1st spell written, this problem cease to exist. Solving this is out of my league.

[jayhova]

Perhaps a spellbook should always have at least one spell in it. One selected based on your highest magical skill. Probably the cheapest one.

[Kamer]

Secondly, the manual marking function had no real value. I can't think of any reason to create a label besides maybe naming your own house.

I've used it so many times during quests to find residences or people. I definitely got my use out of it.

[BansheeXYZ]

I've used it so many times during quests to find residences or people. I definitely got my use out of it.

Quest houses get automarked by asking locals where it is, and auto-deleted on completion. Generic residences are reused by the quest system, so you don't want to try giving them permanent names.

[Kamer]

I've used it so many times during quests to find residences or people. I definitely got my use out of it.

Quest houses get automarked by asking locals where it is, and auto-deleted on completion. Generic residences are reused by the quest system, so you don't want to try giving them permanent names.

It's not always that easy. You also can get the name from checking info on houses. Thats what i do when I have trouble finding the location and mark houses I already checked.