Very few houses for sale.

[newsamsam]

And here is a bugged house for sale I encounter just now.It has this lovely yard with hays and camels.But there's no bank in this tiny town.

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[Ferital]

Interesting, could you provide the exact location?

[newsamsam]

Interesting, could you provide the exact location?

Wadijoniton in Abibon-Gora

[Ferital]

Thanks, the same house is also for sale in classic, this a not a real issue as this is a game data related field. Maybe one day, someone will make a mod letting you buy houses in hamlets like that

[newsamsam]

Maybe one day, someone will make a mod letting you buy houses in hamlets like that

THAT would be Awsome

[Ferital]

Last update for devs: classic uses the list of buildings of the town corresponding "Map P Item" to get the list of houses for sale. Now the problem is this list contains fewer buildings than the actual buildings obtained from RMB blocks combination. So, we can't rely on any index information to establish the correspondence between blocks buildings and map buildings. I looked into both maps and blocks unknown fields but didn't find something useful there.

So I still need to reverse other bits of code to understand the mechanics... I feel like I could decompile the entire game in 2 or 3 months as a full time job...

[Interkarma]

Last update for devs: classic uses the list of buildings of the town corresponding "Map P Item" to get the list of houses for sale. Now the problem is this list contains fewer buildings than the actual buildings obtained from RMB blocks combination. So, we can't rely on any index information to establish the correspondence between blocks buildings and map buildings. I looked into both maps and blocks unknown fields but didn't find something useful there.

Not only that, but those records contain invalid building types not even present in the actual block layouts. That data is wonky as hell and gave me loads of grief during early development. My solution was to more or less ignore that data and use real block data as authoritative.

I honestly feel that buildings for sale could grab a few houses at random (use location ID as a seed or something so it's deterministic) and make sure they're excluded from the quest system. That will make end users happy with a variety of homes to purchase, and not bog us down to reverse engineering a system that has no real analogue on DFU or any real value to preserve perfectly. I think sometimes the DOS disassembly might send us down paths that aren't worth travelling.

[Hazelnut]

Yeah, I agree. At this point we have enough info about roughly what classic does to re-implement something that works similarly without needing the minutiae of the original code.

[Ferital]

Not only that, but those records contain invalid building types not even present in the actual block layouts. That data is wonky as hell and gave me loads of grief during early development. My solution was to more or less ignore that data and use real block data as authoritative.

I honestly feel that buildings for sale could grab a few houses at random (use location ID as a seed or something so it's deterministic) and make sure they're excluded from the quest system. That will make end users happy with a variety of homes to purchase, and not bog us down to reverse engineering a system that has no real analogue on DFU or any real value to preserve perfectly. I think sometimes the DOS disassembly might send us down paths that aren't worth travelling.

Classic seems to mostly rely on map building data info rather than block one. From what I could understand, block buildings data is used as a base and more or less tweaked for each town, mostly regarding shop quality and building types. Also, many unknown and/or originally null fields are modified and used at runtime.

But I agree for this kind of feature, we don't really need to exactly match classic. At first, I thought it would be easy to understand classic "give me all houses for sale" mechanics after I found the main function behind it. But it wasn't the case in the end...

So, I definitely agree we could implement our own mechanism there. We just have to remember to also exclude occupied houses from the list. Not that I am against having a roommate, but I would fear she/he could steal all my stuff

[Hazelnut]

So, I definitely agree we could implement our own mechanism there. We just have to remember to also exclude occupied houses from the list. Not that I am against having a roommate, but I would fear she/he could steal all my stuff

Not an issue, once you purchase a house all NPC 'squatters' are evicted. (i.e. the flats are disabled when laying out the building)

Some of the actual marked houses for sale have occupants so it had to be done already.