Just a general COVID19 thread - dont open if you not interrested in RL issues

[King of Worms]

Nice post! Im not from USA but I observe the political process there a lot. That country used to be a country of freedom, as strange as it sounds now. I dont think its truth anymore and Im frankly glad I live in a middle europe in a small country. We do sh1t our way, in a sense, we are forgotten country. Small. Nobody cares about us too much.... only if we go against EU... because that institution is beyond any polite discussion. Unelected ppl with no responsibility what so ever (not even the vague political responsibility) rule the rest with their insane ideas...

Our police is not so big. We are relatively free to do what we want, because there is not enough police state to control us all. And thats the only reason I feel a relative freedom here (but its only temporary) It used to be much better after the revolution in 1989 tho, the next 10 years... that was the REAL freedom and I will never forget those beautiful times, when the communists left...

Anyway

I had many feelings like you described. That there will be some big change. Bigger than the next inevitable financial crisis where we were heading by a plan since 2007/2008. Like 2008 was not enough for someone...

I also will never forget, that almost 25 years back, I had a vision as a kid. And I saw that the world is a scam. That its different than how it appears to be. So naturally, as I grew older, I started to investigate. Nowadays, I really think twice before I say my opinions Because they are different than normal. So I hold back, unless I feel the person I talk to is open-minded a bit. Not because I dont want to look like a nut.. but because my energy is limited and I dont feel the need to convince anyone about anything anymore.

Bottom line is... I wish everyone to have the guts to do what they feel is good! And the intellect/intuition to navigate thru the deception and confusion we live in. Really... if you go by your heath, you cant go wrong. Stay strong!

[Piecia]

The biggest problem is that currently, when you are asking too many questions about the direction we're heading as a society, you will most likely be mocked and ridiculed and then thrown in the same basket as flat earthers and other looneys.

Dialogue is the heart of democracy, and there is no dialogue without asking questions. Now we have political correctness which is basically a nice way to say "censorship". All we can do right now is talk about matters like this with our close ones and friends. Stay safe lads! We're a part of a really wild ride, and I'm not so sure if the virus is in the middle of it.

[King of Worms]

Haha right, I was being called a liar for asking questions quite recently Makes sense.

Honestly, this crisis must go on for a while, so ppl get time to wake up from the spell they lived under for the looong time. Its really like a withdrawal. Withdrawal of money, consume, neverending mind stimulus (which prevents you from actually thinking)

Ppl need to see, that now the nature is BLOOMING, the sky, air and water is cleaner, the sound pollution is lower... ppl need time to realize all that and go thru the withdrawals, than they will actually start to think twice, if they really want to return to the same old.. poisoned air, water, food, life.

I think this one month was so beneficial to the nature ppl will be amazed, it needs to be studied more. Somehow ppl think we are separated from a nature - theres nature, and than there is "us" - well no, we are the nature as well. So if nature is doing much better, we all will. We will be healthier, more happy, and we will live better lives.

[Ommamar]

I have read several stories about the friction between advisors and Trump which my reaction to was that is great. There needs to be discussion among those making the decision that are going to have far reaching effects. Whether Trump gets reelected (which I think he is going to be) or not what is occurring will have echoes for several years to come.

I just read an article about Delhi which has been considered the most polluted city in the world hitting a 7 on the air pollution scale everyone used after a rain shower. To put this in perspective the average is a 200 rate with spikes of 900 which is considered toxic to any life form. The thing is I am not sure how much people will be willing to give up a way of life they have been accustom to which is the cause of a lot of pollution. One thing COVID-19 has done is prove beyond a shadow that how we have been living has had a great impact on the environment. So the question will be do we care? Is it worth us giving up aspects of how we lived to help maintain the environmental recovery that has occurred? A natural reaction to a crisis particularly on a global scale is to accept giving up those aspects yet once they are told the crisis has passed they revert. The thing is I don't see COVID-19 going away, that it will in fact be an aspect of the world for generations to come, not to mention who knows what other viruses will come up.

As to the idea of a vaccine I just don't see one overall vaccine being developed, what I think we will be able to achieve is shots similar to the ones for influenza where it is coverage for a version projected to occur each season. There will of course be medications developed that will help treat someone who if affected by the virus it just seems unlikely that this end all the politicians are pushing is going to be a reality.

[Baler]

How ever you feel about things just remember it's your responsibility to protect yourself, family and friends. From what ever the case may be.

ppl get time to wake up

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Illusion

[BadLuckBurt]

Mr. Gates can kindly fuck off and die. No way in hell I am cooperating

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xe8fIjxicoo

[Baler]

There is a ton of conspiracy flying around about bill gates right now. And I don't even look into that kind of stuff.

One thing I'd like to add...
When an elephant is a baby it's chained to a stake in the ground that it's unable to pull out. When that same baby elephant grows into a mature adult elephant it's chained to that same stake it can now easily pull up. However it never tries to pull that stake up from the ground because it thinks it can't.

[numidium3rd]

I've been seeing sentiment going around that this virus is "just like the flu" and that the entire world is"overreacting." Consider that it is twice as contagious as the flu. Consider that hospitals need expensive equipment (i.e. ventilators) to treat it. Also, there's a much better understanding of the flu among medical professionals than there is regarding COVID-19. We still don't even have the full picture on it, which is why most of the world's governments are erring on the side of caution. I won't pretend to know everything about this topic but I do encourage everyone to do the research instead of jumping to conspiracy theories.

[King of Worms]

I've been seeing sentiment going around that this virus is "just like the flu" and that the entire world is"overreacting." Consider that it is twice as contagious as the flu. Consider that hospitals need expensive equipment (i.e. ventilators) to treat it. Also, there's a much better understanding of the flu among medical professionals than there is regarding COVID-19. We still don't even have the full picture on it, which is why most of the world's governments are erring on the side of caution. I won't pretend to know everything about this topic but I do encourage everyone to do the research instead of jumping to conspiracy theories.

When I opened this thread, this whole virus was a conspiracy theory... and I spoke about it in RL even one month earlier:

- it was a "flu" and if you was saying it doesnt look good or that its different from the rest of the virus we had (SARS etc) eyebrows were raised on a daily basis in RL and in this thread as well
- same if you went to shop and stockpiled on some food etc

One day its conspiracy, other day its reality. Happens. IMHO its good to be openminded, dont label any idea as conspiracy, and think for yourself (not implying you do/dont do that) I agree with you in general, you raised some valid points.

AD Bill:
One thing is for sure, I dont want his vaccine. I liked him in the past, now Im a bit more cautious about him. As far as I know, hes a IT specialist. I dont know why he is so incredibly invested in pharmaceuticals, viruses and vaccines. Also, the World Health Organisation just proved themselves to be a absolute FAILURE, and he is at top of it. Thanks Bill. Good job. Now give us the vaccines... yea

[BadLuckBurt]

I've been seeing sentiment going around that this virus is "just like the flu" and that the entire world is"overreacting." Consider that it is twice as contagious as the flu. Consider that hospitals need expensive equipment (i.e. ventilators) to treat it. Also, there's a much better understanding of the flu among medical professionals than there is regarding COVID-19. We still don't even have the full picture on it, which is why most of the world's governments are erring on the side of caution. I won't pretend to know everything about this topic but I do encourage everyone to do the research instead of jumping to conspiracy theories.

A lot things don't add up for me after looking into it and this is just the kind of thing certain groups need to implement the control measures they've wanted for a long time.

At some point this virus will be as common as the flu, the only reason it's so contageous is because it's new to our bodies. We've been safe from natural selection so long and now that it's staring us in the face, we're scared. If not getting Gates' vaccine means I can't travel anymore, that only proves we're as free as fish in a fishtank.

There are plenty of 'conspiracies' that have been proven to be true, even stuff Alex Jones has said so I don't dismiss anything just because others feel the need to attach a stigmatised label to it.