Lockpicking overhaul

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Lockpicking overhaul

Post by Jay_H » Tue May 22, 2018 6:45 pm

In classic I always found it a serious damper to only be able to pick any lock once. I had thought of being given unlimited attempts like with bashing, but then there would be no balance; bashing would always be inferior even to the most basic lockpicker. Perhaps up to five attempts per door or something.

Furthermore, there should be some answer to magically locked doors, which were absolute roadblocks in classic. Even worse was the game's mechanic of increasing the level of dungeon locks to your lockpicking skill, until all doors were magically locked :lol:
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Re: Lockpicking overhaul

Post by mikeprichard » Tue May 22, 2018 8:23 pm

Also agree on this - lockpicking needs some serious mod "fixes" to address these vanilla issues. Not to mention that level scaling in RPGs (any level scaling mechanic in my opinion, including loot/enemy strength etc., and certainly scaling of this kind) needs to be killed with fire. Would be interested to see what people come up with.

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Re: Lockpicking overhaul

Post by Orzene » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:00 pm

I think if you're going to expand the lockpicking mechanics, there should be something a bit more "adjustable" and-or "forgiving"? If we limit it so many times, maybe make it to where failed attempts eventually break the lock, which needs a 12-24 hour time period to fix? Either that, or have it resource dependent like how the later systems integrated it. Not that we need to integrate a mini-game, since that's more work than simply doing dice-rolls that use stats. I figure Bashing would be better defined as "last resort" system, rather than the go-to, since even IF you increased the tries from a one-time, to 5 or even 10 times total, you're still limiting the ability to practice and increase the skill stat by making every door a one-time per *game* deal.
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Re: Lockpicking overhaul

Post by Ommamar » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:36 pm

I think a lock picking system would work, just set it to a Boolean flag to check if you have a lock pick in inventory you can attempt to pick a lock. This combined with a break system based on how skilled you are at lock picking would be a good way to go. I would also like to see practice chests that are locked located in thieves guild as lock picking is one of the hardest skills to raise particularly if you try to raise it by use and not training.

I would also like to see both the open and lock spells be adjusted. It doesn't really make sense that you cast the spell on your self, not the locked door. Then the chance is only that you will buff yourself to try to open the door which you can still fail at if the lock is to high of a level for you.

Bash is nice as the last resort or if you are playing a build that has nothing to do with thieving, but it is what you end up doing 95% of the time.

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Re: Lockpicking overhaul

Post by Orzene » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:43 pm

Do you think it'd be good for a perma-lock break? Or should there be a repair time-gate before you can revisit that lock? I think it's one of those mechanics that feels thematically viable when you're talking about a world that's filled with locked doors but no actual "lock smiths" to repair these items. Not unless everyone is just knows how to make locks but doesn't know -and is okay with- never repairing them.
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Re: Lockpicking overhaul

Post by Ommamar » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:21 pm

Orzene wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:43 pm
Do you think it'd be good for a perma-lock break? Or should there be a repair time-gate before you can revisit that lock? I think it's one of those mechanics that feels thematically viable when you're talking about a world that's filled with locked doors but no actual "lock smiths" to repair these items. Not unless everyone is just knows how to make locks but doesn't know -and is okay with- never repairing them.
Since you can bash doors down I think it wouldn't be to bad of a mechanic to have perma-lock break. There is also a case to be made that if you understood a lock well enough to pick it you could likely repair it as well, I guess instead of lock picking a broken lock the skill would attempt to repair it instead. Maybe with a certain numbers of repair attempts before it would be considered unrecoverable.

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